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	<title>Comments on: USS Ranger</title>
	<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/</link>
	<description>Right-Blogging Tacoma/Pierce/Puget Sound/Washington</description>
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		<title>By: Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-1946</guid>
		<description>Just an added piece of information for the 'parking requirements' for the USS Ranger.  &lt;a href="http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/street/2008/08/21/tall_ships_ran_at_deficit_co_chair_says" target=_blank rel="nofollow"&gt;Tall Ships Tacoma had about 300,000 visitors&lt;/a&gt;.  That includes the Independence Day weekend.  That was 100,000 under the estimate of 400,000.  They cited poor weather as a cause for their error, er... lack of turnout.  Makes me wonder if event planners in Tacoma really know how to estimate turnout.  They also cited 'national economic downturn' as a factor, but I was under the impression that regional tourism improves in bad economies because people take vacations closer to home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an added piece of information for the &#8216;parking requirements&#8217; for the USS Ranger.  <a href="http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/street/2008/08/21/tall_ships_ran_at_deficit_co_chair_says" target=_blank rel="nofollow">Tall Ships Tacoma had about 300,000 visitors</a>.  That includes the Independence Day weekend.  That was 100,000 under the estimate of 400,000.  They cited poor weather as a cause for their error, er&#8230; lack of turnout.  Makes me wonder if event planners in Tacoma really know how to estimate turnout.  They also cited &#8216;national economic downturn&#8217; as a factor, but I was under the impression that regional tourism improves in bad economies because people take vacations closer to home.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Ferland</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Ferland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-1849</guid>
		<description>I served on the ranger until they put her in the moth ball fleet, I think she should be a museum..... maybe in New Hampshire since the first ship to bear her name was built there, plus the father of the us navy john paul jones lived there. And I also am from there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served on the ranger until they put her in the moth ball fleet, I think she should be a museum&#8230;.. maybe in New Hampshire since the first ship to bear her name was built there, plus the father of the us navy john paul jones lived there. And I also am from there too.</p>
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		<title>By: John Adams</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>John Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-743</guid>
		<description>As a current member of the USS Ranger Foundation, I want to assure you that efforts are being made as  we speak to bring Ranger to the Portland Metro area.   We have spent huge sums on a marketing/feasability study to show what kind of support we will bring, and it is huge.

The fact is that the navy is SINKING all these retired carriers. It is a SHAME!!  These ships let us sleep in peace as they patroled the oceans of the world.  The FIRST thing the President ask in an emergency is "Where are the Carriers?"  They are the 911 of our country.

Please, she will only be a few miles south of you folks in the Sea-Tac area. I hope you will watch our progress, support us with your donations and allow future generations to come, to see what a great memorial Ranger will be. She sailed in harms way, now it is time to let her rest and serve in peace, for our kids and grandkids.

God Bless America and each one or you!

John Adams
jm0418@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a current member of the USS Ranger Foundation, I want to assure you that efforts are being made as  we speak to bring Ranger to the Portland Metro area.   We have spent huge sums on a marketing/feasability study to show what kind of support we will bring, and it is huge.</p>
<p>The fact is that the navy is SINKING all these retired carriers. It is a SHAME!!  These ships let us sleep in peace as they patroled the oceans of the world.  The FIRST thing the President ask in an emergency is &#8220;Where are the Carriers?&#8221;  They are the 911 of our country.</p>
<p>Please, she will only be a few miles south of you folks in the Sea-Tac area. I hope you will watch our progress, support us with your donations and allow future generations to come, to see what a great memorial Ranger will be. She sailed in harms way, now it is time to let her rest and serve in peace, for our kids and grandkids.</p>
<p>God Bless America and each one or you!</p>
<p>John Adams<br />
<a href="mailto:jm0418@yahoo.com">jm0418@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-469</guid>
		<description>To some people a US aircraft carrier that defended our freedom and kept our enemies away from our shores is a beautiful thing.  The people who are part of it's history, or the history of so many other US Navy vessels, understand that there's more to a ship like this than meets the eye.

On the surface it may look like a big gray tub with a short street slapped on top.  But to someone who's been on one of our Navy's many ships, calling it home for one it's deployments, it's a piece of their past and a piece of our nation's history.

My step-father served in the Korean War on a heavy cruiser.  Several years ago I took him to fleetweek in Seattle where we had a chance to tour the deck of ship similar to the one he served on.  Even though it was Seafair and the airshow was going on over Lake Washington, all he wanted to do was get to the waterfront to see the ships.  Only his age kept us from staying on those ships until they chased us off.  An uncle, who was laid to rest a year and a half ago, also served in the Navy during the Korean war.

Maybe if you tried looking with your heart instead of just your eyes you'd understand its beauty.  And by the way, thanks for supporting my original point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To some people a US aircraft carrier that defended our freedom and kept our enemies away from our shores is a beautiful thing.  The people who are part of it&#8217;s history, or the history of so many other US Navy vessels, understand that there&#8217;s more to a ship like this than meets the eye.</p>
<p>On the surface it may look like a big gray tub with a short street slapped on top.  But to someone who&#8217;s been on one of our Navy&#8217;s many ships, calling it home for one it&#8217;s deployments, it&#8217;s a piece of their past and a piece of our nation&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>My step-father served in the Korean War on a heavy cruiser.  Several years ago I took him to fleetweek in Seattle where we had a chance to tour the deck of ship similar to the one he served on.  Even though it was Seafair and the airshow was going on over Lake Washington, all he wanted to do was get to the waterfront to see the ships.  Only his age kept us from staying on those ships until they chased us off.  An uncle, who was laid to rest a year and a half ago, also served in the Navy during the Korean war.</p>
<p>Maybe if you tried looking with your heart instead of just your eyes you&#8217;d understand its beauty.  And by the way, thanks for supporting my original point.</p>
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		<title>By: ihatebush</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>ihatebush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-465</guid>
		<description>Leave it alone already. This issue is DEAD. Nobody but right-wing nut jobs want a big piece of rusting junk polluting our beautiful views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it alone already. This issue is DEAD. Nobody but right-wing nut jobs want a big piece of rusting junk polluting our beautiful views.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-446</guid>
		<description>I would have loved to see it here.  Maybe there is a smaller ship that someone will find and champion for the area.

I think the Ranger was a tough fit, but I don't think it was impossible.  From what I've heard the opposition (official or citizen) made it more difficult and were able to put it over top and win the day, which lost it for those of us who care.

It's encouraging that there was more support than I first realized.  Too bad it wasn't enough.

I appreciate our discussions.  Seldom do I find someone who will stick to facts and not let things deteriorate to name-calling and insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have loved to see it here.  Maybe there is a smaller ship that someone will find and champion for the area.</p>
<p>I think the Ranger was a tough fit, but I don&#8217;t think it was impossible.  From what I&#8217;ve heard the opposition (official or citizen) made it more difficult and were able to put it over top and win the day, which lost it for those of us who care.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s encouraging that there was more support than I first realized.  Too bad it wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>I appreciate our discussions.  Seldom do I find someone who will stick to facts and not let things deteriorate to name-calling and insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Hanberg</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Hanberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-444</guid>
		<description>According to Scott at Word on the Street, we're in a "cyberspat." How exciting.

As to the above, a couple last thoughts: first, after checking around online, I am high on my 500K estimate for annual attendance. From what I can tell the USS Lexington carrier in Corpus Christi does about 325,000. That might be comparable, especially given the very large military population in our area. I do believe that the chance to walk around a carrier is a unique and fascinating experience and would serve as a tourist attraction for a huge geographic region far larger than our county or even the Puget Sound.

The other point is that you're still assuming officials were looking for a reason not to put the Ranger here. I really did not find that to be the case. Everyone I talked to saw the good fit the carrier would have had in Tacoma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Scott at Word on the Street, we&#8217;re in a &#8220;cyberspat.&#8221; How exciting.</p>
<p>As to the above, a couple last thoughts: first, after checking around online, I am high on my 500K estimate for annual attendance. From what I can tell the USS Lexington carrier in Corpus Christi does about 325,000. That might be comparable, especially given the very large military population in our area. I do believe that the chance to walk around a carrier is a unique and fascinating experience and would serve as a tourist attraction for a huge geographic region far larger than our county or even the Puget Sound.</p>
<p>The other point is that you&#8217;re still assuming officials were looking for a reason not to put the Ranger here. I really did not find that to be the case. Everyone I talked to saw the good fit the carrier would have had in Tacoma.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-443</guid>
		<description>Yes, I doubt that a 'freaking aircraft carrier' could do 2.5x more than the Museum of Glass.  It's just another museum in the same city.  Do you have any stats to back up your 2.5x assertion?  An art museum opening in San Diego to compare it to?  

To even get close to a valid comparision between art museums and an aircraft carrier museum we'd have to combine all of San Diego's other museums and figure the percentage that went to the Midway.  Then total up all of the museums in Tacoma and take that Midway percentage and apply it to that.  Just one exhibit at the San Diego Museum of Man had 400,000 visitors.  The San Diego Museum of Art has 400,000 per year.  The city has many more museums.  Care to do the math?  

San Diego and San Francisco are 500 miles apart.  San Diego is only 120 miles Los Angeles, but San Francisco is 380 miles from LA, making San Diego a much more likely trip.

By comparison, 500,000 visitors for the Ranger in Tacoma is a ridiculous figure.

There's also the question of mode of transportation.  Museums attract a lot of school field trips and tour buses.  Factoring out parking for cars for all of the bus riders included in those numbers and factoring in buses instead brings the number down.  

There's a common practice in politics of hanging a bunch of amendments on a bill that will be certain to torpedo it in a vote.  Parking sounds like it might have been the amendment used to torpedo the Ranger's home in Tacoma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I doubt that a &#8216;freaking aircraft carrier&#8217; could do 2.5x more than the Museum of Glass.  It&#8217;s just another museum in the same city.  Do you have any stats to back up your 2.5x assertion?  An art museum opening in San Diego to compare it to?  </p>
<p>To even get close to a valid comparision between art museums and an aircraft carrier museum we&#8217;d have to combine all of San Diego&#8217;s other museums and figure the percentage that went to the Midway.  Then total up all of the museums in Tacoma and take that Midway percentage and apply it to that.  Just one exhibit at the San Diego Museum of Man had 400,000 visitors.  The San Diego Museum of Art has 400,000 per year.  The city has many more museums.  Care to do the math?  </p>
<p>San Diego and San Francisco are 500 miles apart.  San Diego is only 120 miles Los Angeles, but San Francisco is 380 miles from LA, making San Diego a much more likely trip.</p>
<p>By comparison, 500,000 visitors for the Ranger in Tacoma is a ridiculous figure.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the question of mode of transportation.  Museums attract a lot of school field trips and tour buses.  Factoring out parking for cars for all of the bus riders included in those numbers and factoring in buses instead brings the number down.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a common practice in politics of hanging a bunch of amendments on a bill that will be certain to torpedo it in a vote.  Parking sounds like it might have been the amendment used to torpedo the Ranger&#8217;s home in Tacoma.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Hanberg</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Hanberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-442</guid>
		<description>Geographically, a USS Ranger in Tacoma would be the only such attraction for hundreds of miles, while the USS Midway competes with the carrier in San Francisco. Also, in its first year the Museum of Glass did 200,000+. Do you really believe that a freaking aircraft carrier couldn't do 2.5x more in its first year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geographically, a USS Ranger in Tacoma would be the only such attraction for hundreds of miles, while the USS Midway competes with the carrier in San Francisco. Also, in its first year the Museum of Glass did 200,000+. Do you really believe that a freaking aircraft carrier couldn&#8217;t do 2.5x more in its first year?</p>
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		<title>By: Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/03/19/uss-ranger/#comment-436</guid>
		<description>The USS Midway is docked in San Diego.  San Diego county has 3 times the population of Pierce County.  It's within driving distance from Los Angeles which has a population of almost 10 million compared to King County's population of about 1.8 million.  San Diego is a tourist town.  Tacoma isn't.  The 500,000 estimate is way too high.  Care to try again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USS Midway is docked in San Diego.  San Diego county has 3 times the population of Pierce County.  It&#8217;s within driving distance from Los Angeles which has a population of almost 10 million compared to King County&#8217;s population of about 1.8 million.  San Diego is a tourist town.  Tacoma isn&#8217;t.  The 500,000 estimate is way too high.  Care to try again?</p>
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