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	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Another artificial energy crisis by Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/18/another-artificial-energy-crisis/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If wind power is cost-effective then I think it's a great idea.  If it costs more than traditional sources, then I say wait until it becomes cost effective.  We don't want to end up like Germany and spend boatloads of money to support a pie-in-the-sky approach that will only serve to create an industry at taxpayer expense that will then sell to other nations at cut rates to keep their companies alive.

I think it's great that they're pumping their money into building an industry that will eventually benefit us, but I don't want to do the same.  We've already pumped a lot of money into rebuilding their country.  It's about time they return some of it.  So when I buy some cheap solar panels in a few years, I'll think of it as repayment of the war debt from over half of a century ago.  In the meantime, German citizens are being bilked to support a green-dream that, if left to itself, would probably have produced the same results a few years later at a much lower cost to the average person.  

Liberals need lessons in economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If wind power is cost-effective then I think it&#8217;s a great idea.  If it costs more than traditional sources, then I say wait until it becomes cost effective.  We don&#8217;t want to end up like Germany and spend boatloads of money to support a pie-in-the-sky approach that will only serve to create an industry at taxpayer expense that will then sell to other nations at cut rates to keep their companies alive.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great that they&#8217;re pumping their money into building an industry that will eventually benefit us, but I don&#8217;t want to do the same.  We&#8217;ve already pumped a lot of money into rebuilding their country.  It&#8217;s about time they return some of it.  So when I buy some cheap solar panels in a few years, I&#8217;ll think of it as repayment of the war debt from over half of a century ago.  In the meantime, German citizens are being bilked to support a green-dream that, if left to itself, would probably have produced the same results a few years later at a much lower cost to the average person.  </p>
<p>Liberals need lessons in economics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1774</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1774</guid>
		<description>truthbetold - Sorry, I just found the e-mails telling me that I needed to moderate your comments.  Because of that it will appear that you were ignored in my comments.

But to respond to what you've said, this is a just war.  The American people were in support of the war prior to going to the U.N. where it appears that Colin Powell changed the argument from the fact that Saddam was a danger to the region and to our nation to one that focused on WMD.  I did not need to see WMD to know that he was dangerous and needed to be removed from power.  We gave a nation back to it's people and made our own nation safer by doing so.  

George Bush (and his administration) never lied to the American people.  If he had he would have been impeached by now.  Instead, the liberal attack machine, which you seem to be aligned with, went after anyone they could in the administration.  And who did they get?  Scooter Libby, a third string staffer.  And how did they get him?  By pushing an investigation beyond it's logical conclusion, turning it into nothing more than overly-aggressive, and probably illegal, prosecutorial malfeasance.  The prosecutor knew that it was an anti-Bush pinhead from the state department that leaked Plame's name, which wasn't a crime (as seen in the fact that he hasn't been prosecuted) long before Libby made a mistake in his answers.  My point is, the best liberals could do in finding 'lies' in this administration was the flimsiest case that wouldn't have gone to court if not for the blind zeal of anti-Bush leftists.

In polls, most people who say they no longer support the war said that they changed their mind due to the way it was run, not because they changed their mind about it being a just war.  

As for the rest of what you said, all I can say is, "cliché away."  You might want to get your head out of the liberal playbook and face reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truthbetold - Sorry, I just found the e-mails telling me that I needed to moderate your comments.  Because of that it will appear that you were ignored in my comments.</p>
<p>But to respond to what you&#8217;ve said, this is a just war.  The American people were in support of the war prior to going to the U.N. where it appears that Colin Powell changed the argument from the fact that Saddam was a danger to the region and to our nation to one that focused on WMD.  I did not need to see WMD to know that he was dangerous and needed to be removed from power.  We gave a nation back to it&#8217;s people and made our own nation safer by doing so.  </p>
<p>George Bush (and his administration) never lied to the American people.  If he had he would have been impeached by now.  Instead, the liberal attack machine, which you seem to be aligned with, went after anyone they could in the administration.  And who did they get?  Scooter Libby, a third string staffer.  And how did they get him?  By pushing an investigation beyond it&#8217;s logical conclusion, turning it into nothing more than overly-aggressive, and probably illegal, prosecutorial malfeasance.  The prosecutor knew that it was an anti-Bush pinhead from the state department that leaked Plame&#8217;s name, which wasn&#8217;t a crime (as seen in the fact that he hasn&#8217;t been prosecuted) long before Libby made a mistake in his answers.  My point is, the best liberals could do in finding &#8216;lies&#8217; in this administration was the flimsiest case that wouldn&#8217;t have gone to court if not for the blind zeal of anti-Bush leftists.</p>
<p>In polls, most people who say they no longer support the war said that they changed their mind due to the way it was run, not because they changed their mind about it being a just war.  </p>
<p>As for the rest of what you said, all I can say is, &#8220;cliché away.&#8221;  You might want to get your head out of the liberal playbook and face reality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another artificial energy crisis by truthbetold</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/18/another-artificial-energy-crisis/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>truthbetold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/18/another-artificial-energy-crisis/#comment-1773</guid>
		<description>Interesting Reading:

Today's Oregonian Headline: Northwest's wind power could quadruple
A BPA assessment shows developers are ready to build wind farms, but power lines can't handle much more. 

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1216529717321800.xml&#38;coll=7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Reading:</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s Oregonian Headline: Northwest&#8217;s wind power could quadruple<br />
A BPA assessment shows developers are ready to build wind farms, but power lines can&#8217;t handle much more. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1216529717321800.xml&amp;coll=7" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1216529717321800.xml&amp;coll=7</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by truthbetold</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>truthbetold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1772</guid>
		<description>It's interesting that the very country that rebelled against foreign government &#38; overseas coprporate control of it's resources, industry, politics, economy, and culture, now spends so much effort doing the same to others.  Those who don't learn from their own history tend to be judged harshly by later history.  Look back. Look forward. Look now. Are we going in the right direction? Or are we going the way of all great powers in history who, carried away by their arrogance, overextended and shriveled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the very country that rebelled against foreign government &amp; overseas coprporate control of it&#8217;s resources, industry, politics, economy, and culture, now spends so much effort doing the same to others.  Those who don&#8217;t learn from their own history tend to be judged harshly by later history.  Look back. Look forward. Look now. Are we going in the right direction? Or are we going the way of all great powers in history who, carried away by their arrogance, overextended and shriveled.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1771</guid>
		<description>I'm sure there were some people there who don't support the war effort, but to describe those people as being part of 'a really big gray area' is extremely disingenuous.  

Maybe you're sincere in your comments, but the things you're saying are straight out of a liberal playbook that tries to paint anti-war, anti-troop liberals as mainstream by diminishing the patriotism and heart-felt support for the troops that comes from the majority of Americans.  In most surveys and polls about the war a supermajority say that we need to stay there and win.  To put it another way, most Americans support the troops AND THEIR MISSION.

And to say that people who showed up at McChord this weekend were just there for an air show but don't support the war is just plain hogwash.  It seems to me to be a clear attempt to diminish the real support for the troops that exists everywhere except a few liberal enclaves like Seattle and downtown Tacoma.  To put that another way, liberals are quick to dismiss facts that don't support their narrow world view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there were some people there who don&#8217;t support the war effort, but to describe those people as being part of &#8216;a really big gray area&#8217; is extremely disingenuous.  </p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re sincere in your comments, but the things you&#8217;re saying are straight out of a liberal playbook that tries to paint anti-war, anti-troop liberals as mainstream by diminishing the patriotism and heart-felt support for the troops that comes from the majority of Americans.  In most surveys and polls about the war a supermajority say that we need to stay there and win.  To put it another way, most Americans support the troops AND THEIR MISSION.</p>
<p>And to say that people who showed up at McChord this weekend were just there for an air show but don&#8217;t support the war is just plain hogwash.  It seems to me to be a clear attempt to diminish the real support for the troops that exists everywhere except a few liberal enclaves like Seattle and downtown Tacoma.  To put that another way, liberals are quick to dismiss facts that don&#8217;t support their narrow world view.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by truthbetold</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator>truthbetold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1770</guid>
		<description>It was a purposeful, fear-mongering, right-wing double-talk campaign that got us into this war.  How long will people continue believing everything the Bush folks say, when so much turns out to be untrue later?  Not much longer. You can only spin an untruth so many times before you make us all dizzy - and we finally walk away to make up our own minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a purposeful, fear-mongering, right-wing double-talk campaign that got us into this war.  How long will people continue believing everything the Bush folks say, when so much turns out to be untrue later?  Not much longer. You can only spin an untruth so many times before you make us all dizzy - and we finally walk away to make up our own minds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by tacomachickadee</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>tacomachickadee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1769</guid>
		<description>There is a really big gray area between fanatical pontifications on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a really big gray area between fanatical pontifications on both sides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by Republican By Default</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican By Default</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1768</guid>
		<description>A military air show on a military base surrounded by active duty, reserve and retired military personnel, their families, friends and supporters is not just an airshow, especially for liberals.  It's a symbol of American military superiority in the modern world.

Again, the Independence day air show on Tacoma's waterfront was just an air show.  This weekend was far more and liberals are well aware of that fact.

Sorry, but I make it a point to call liberals on their doubletalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A military air show on a military base surrounded by active duty, reserve and retired military personnel, their families, friends and supporters is not just an airshow, especially for liberals.  It&#8217;s a symbol of American military superiority in the modern world.</p>
<p>Again, the Independence day air show on Tacoma&#8217;s waterfront was just an air show.  This weekend was far more and liberals are well aware of that fact.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I make it a point to call liberals on their doubletalk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by truthbetold</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1767</link>
		<dc:creator>truthbetold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1767</guid>
		<description>

This was not a new discovery, which is why it is not being trumpeted as a big "find". This was old stuff that was found and secured by the inspectors after the 1991 Iraq war.  It was still secure when the inspectors went back before the Bush invasion. The big deal about this yellow-cake is that we are now dispersing it to other existing nuclear powers to get it out of the Middle-east before we begin withdrawing. Yellow cake is raw unprocessed uranium that needs to be processed and concentrated 100s of times before it is of any use in weapons.

No one disputes that Iraq had WMD in 1991 (and did use them against Iran, with our blessing, and against the Kurd rebellion).  We even provided chemical warfare suits to Iraq so their soldiers could survive WMD use.  However, Iraq did not have WMD after that time - except what was inventoried and secured by the inspectors (found still secured when we invaded - but left ungaurded by us in the post-invasion period of looting).

Our military does not decide when to go to war. Our elected politicians do. We ask the troops to be ready if needed. They hope we will only use them for a just purpose.  If we allow our political leaders to abuse the troops willingness to serve by committing them to an unneeded war, it is not their fault. It is the politicians who start unnecessary wars that we dishonor, not the troops.  

The ends do not justify the means, nor does committing troops to a wrong war make the war right. War doesn't decide who is right - only who is left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was not a new discovery, which is why it is not being trumpeted as a big &#8220;find&#8221;. This was old stuff that was found and secured by the inspectors after the 1991 Iraq war.  It was still secure when the inspectors went back before the Bush invasion. The big deal about this yellow-cake is that we are now dispersing it to other existing nuclear powers to get it out of the Middle-east before we begin withdrawing. Yellow cake is raw unprocessed uranium that needs to be processed and concentrated 100s of times before it is of any use in weapons.</p>
<p>No one disputes that Iraq had WMD in 1991 (and did use them against Iran, with our blessing, and against the Kurd rebellion).  We even provided chemical warfare suits to Iraq so their soldiers could survive WMD use.  However, Iraq did not have WMD after that time - except what was inventoried and secured by the inspectors (found still secured when we invaded - but left ungaurded by us in the post-invasion period of looting).</p>
<p>Our military does not decide when to go to war. Our elected politicians do. We ask the troops to be ready if needed. They hope we will only use them for a just purpose.  If we allow our political leaders to abuse the troops willingness to serve by committing them to an unneeded war, it is not their fault. It is the politicians who start unnecessary wars that we dishonor, not the troops.  </p>
<p>The ends do not justify the means, nor does committing troops to a wrong war make the war right. War doesn&#8217;t decide who is right - only who is left.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grassroots support for the military by tacomachickadee</title>
		<link>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>tacomachickadee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://5views.com/2008/07/21/grassroots-support-for-the-military/#comment-1766</guid>
		<description>Nope. Just that an airshow is not a protest or a counter-protest.

It's an airshow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Just that an airshow is not a protest or a counter-protest.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an airshow.</p>
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